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Tuesday, May 26, 2015

Regressive Uber-Patriot Gets Schooled....Then Typically Fails To Respond

What is an Uber-patriot? 

The best explanation would be a Leftist regressive who uses the mantle of extreme patriotism - in this case blind devotion to and allegiance to government rather than principle of law and its origins - to put themselves unjustly above those they feel do not meet their own dubious standards of loyalty. 

Today's delicate little snowflake is an Uber-patriot named Curtis Fiers of Atlanta. A Leftwing writer and anti-Confederate heritage reactionary who recently posted quite the little manefesto on why he doesn't feel Confederate soldiers should be honored on US Memorial Day - or any other day for that matter.

Naturally, his post was put on a page that has no comment section and no way to respond to his poorly thought out talking points. These folks don't like counter-arguments at any rate. So, as usual I will post the entirety of the mindless rant, adding to it in red my responses in detail.

Please enjoy.

5 Reasons I Don’t Give a Sh*t About Confederate Deaths On Memorial Day

Alternate Topic: I am A Self-Hating Crybaby Snowflake

Confederate Veterans on Memorial Day?

To the areas that were once Confederate states, Memorial Day served as a time to remember deceased soldiers of the Confederate States of America. The day would eventually become a time of reflection for soldiers on both sides, and a few kind ladies from Mississippi undoubtedly had a role in this tradition by placing flowers on the bare graves of Union soldiers in 1866.
Actually soldiers on BOTH sides have always been honored since there were a number of Southern-born Unionists who did serve in the blue uniform. Not to mention plenty of Yankee dead buried on Southern soil....you know because they were the invader for the most part. Southerners have always honored and tended the dead of the Union soldiers because we show respect to our "guests" - even the uninvited ones. Your statement is a factual error - no doubt one of many more to come. 
In all honesty, though, I simply cannot force myself to reflect kindly or even remember fondly those who fell in service to the Confederacy. 
That is your perogative  - narrow-minded and reactionary such as it is. 
Now, don’t think that this is some sort of outrageous statement trying to get attention.
Its not? 
There are actually several reasons I don’t care about the Confederate fallen. In fact, here they are.
Now for the fun part.....NOT!
 
1. They were fighting for slavery: You may find this hard to believe, but there are actually people out there who deny that the Civil War was over slavery. 
I am not one of them in point of fact. 
In fact, a 2011 Pew Research poll found that 48 percent of Americans believed the war was over states’ rights. Yeah… states’ rights to own slaves.
Wow, never heard that clever little play on words before....oh wait, I have about a million times from other regressive little nobodies who thought it was amusing anyone but the two other friends they play around with. 
Maybe actually look up the definition of the term itself, go back and read the Federalist Papers and other documents from the Founding Fathers to the time before the War. Then maybe you can pretend to stand with the learned and sound like you know what you are talking about. 
More like undeniable proof the events leading up to secession were largely about slavery. But secession itself didn't cause the War. The war itself was started over territorial disputes concerning Federal forts between two distinct American governments.  
so even discussing this is pointless. 
A single point of agreement, who knew?
In the words of the Confederacy itself, the war was over slavery. 
Secessionist documents and the words of certain politicians do not constitute the "Confederacy itself". Perhaps you mean the Confederate government? In that you could have a point, but your wording and turn of phrase is terrible.
I’m sorry, but I find it difficult to honor anyone who was fighting to keep humans as property. 
I take it then you don't honor the Americans who fought for the Continental Army, the veterans of the US military between 1787 - 1861, nor the Southern-born Unionists in so-called "border states" where slavery was still legal until 1865 either. 
 
2. Memorial Day is for American military: It’s funny to hear some southerners (you mean Southerners - emphasis on the capital - don't you son?) call the Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression.” Actually I prefer the War Between The States - you know, because that is the formal name of the War used by the US Congress
It’s almost as if they think the Confederacy was a legitimate country whose rights were trampled upon by the United States.
Weeeeeeell......yup, pretty much were, from a certain point of view.
You know what? Okay, let’s give that to them.
We thank you for the concession. 

If the Confederate States of America was a real country, that means that its soldiers were not American citizens. 
If the Confederacy remained a country until their surrender, it means that every man who died for the south did so while the Confederacy was a separate entity from the U.S.. This means that not a single soldier in the South was an American citizen when they died.
Nice try, but no cigar. This is where you and other Leftist "uber-patriots" always seem to get it wrong.
The term "American" does not belong exclusively to the United States government. People born in what was the Original 13 British American colonies - while even at the time British subjects - considered themselves "Americans" long before there even WAS a US government. 
The men and boys who fought for the Confederacy never denied themselves the proud title of American - even the Confederate State of AMERICA as a government still went with the term American. 
If that’s the case, then Memorial Day isn’t for them. After all, we don’t remember the fallen Revolutionary-era British on Memorial Day. Actually, some people in the US east coast DO in fact honor the British and Loyalist dead on certain days. Need to do more research here, kiddo.
We don’t honor Al-Qaeda just because they’re involved in battles with us.
Just about all members of Al-Queda are foreign-born enemies who were never born in America - your comparison is as pointless as it is obscene. 
Heck, we don’t even mention the Native Americans we fought for land so many years ago, and they were actually the good guys.
Much like your other argument about the British dead, this one is also quite wrong. Native Americans are honored all the time by people - many of whom are not themselves Indians. matter of fact Southerners are among the first to honor Native Americans...especially those who fought for Dixie. 
 
Thomas Cherokee Legion Veterans - CSA.
Again you do need to research your asinine statements a bit more, this just gets embarrassing. 
We honor Americans on Memorial Day — except for fallen Native Americans defending their land, of course (see previous statement contradicting your little error here) — and if you think the Confederacy was its own nation, then your guys don’t count. 
That is your wrong-thinking, reactionary opinion, little man. 
You don’t get to retroactively rejoin the party just because your party sucked. 
Know this from real life experience do you?These men were just another series of unlucky souls who took on #TeamAmerica.
And here I thought hashtags weren't invented until a few years ago. Derp!
 
3. We don’t honor traitors: For Reason 2, we played out a fairy tale in which southerners got to imagine that the Confederacy was a legitimate country, but now we have to but on our “big boy pants” and come back to the real world. The simple fact of the matter is that every single soldier who fought for the Confederacy was a traitor.
Ah now comes the Uber-Patriotism. Let's get out our Chinese-made fireworks, put on our US flag caps (also probably Chinese made), cross our eyes and chant: USA! USA! USA!  
There’s no doubt that there were southern (again capitalize the S in Southern) soldiers fighting for something other than slavery. General Lee simply stood by what he viewed as his homeland. Some soldiers undoubtedly fought with the idea that they were protecting their families. 
The majority of letters home and personal diaries more than attest to that, but then again most know this, even regressive historians who vilify the Confederate soldier grudgingly admit this is accurate. 
Whatever their reasoning, though, they were willfully taking up arms against the United States of America.
Against being invaded by the United States of America certainly. I don't deny that to be true.
As it turns out, treason is the only crime that the United States Constitution specifically defines, like this:
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort…”
Additionally, Chapter 115 of Title 18 of the United States Code further states:
“Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason…”
You do realize, of course, that these particular codes in their current form were written well AFTER the conclusion of the War ended. No? Oooh, well, again you might wanna do some research into these codes and their origins. 
More so, I would advise you to look up the US Supreme Court case Brown Vs. Texas (1869) which ruled secession legally unconstitutional. The significance? Prior to the War the legal issue over the so-called right of secession was never settled. This case - one made FOUR YEARS AFTER THE WAR ENDED - closed the discussion. 
Now I don't know what rule of law you believe in - being a Leftist I have little doubt your view of that changes with the next person you talk to - but in the land where we wear our big-boy pants, a person cannot legally be charged with, nor declared guilty of an alleged "crime" if said "crime" hasn't been formally made illegal. 
Your argument has fallen flat on its face and broken its nose pal. LMAO! 
 
These men, who were American citizens by birth or naturalization, picked up arms and levied war against America.
Again we established that the US Government isn't in and of itself America. America belongs to WE THE PEOPLE, not to government. 
This is the very definition of treason. 
Which I pointed out was false. 
When Memorial Day rolls around, we don’t celebrate or commemorate Benedict Arnold or the Americans who fought for the Nazis in World War II, so why on earth should we do this for our homegrown traitors?
ROFL! Oh man! Dude, I really hate to do this to you....no wait, I don't!
America DOES in fact commemorate the efforts of Benedict Arnold at the Saratoga National Battlefield. There's even a neat little monument too. Further at least one US college DOES in fact commemorate alumni who fought for Nazi Germany in WW2 and in the First World War as well. And the butthurt continues for you. 
 
4. They weren’t war casualties: One of the main reasons I don’t honor or respect fallen Confederate soldiers is again related to the very definition of treason. 
Since your definition of "treason" was soundly torn apart, this one will likely have little foundation in reality either. 
I left out a key part earlier: the punishment for levying war against the United States. If you are guilty of treason, the law says that you
“shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000.”
The traitorous soldiers who survived got lucky. The war lasted 4 years, 3 weeks, and 6 days. 
Depending on which group surrendered in 1865 from Lee at Appomattox to the CSS Sheandoah in Liverpool, and which one a person considers the last surrender, that time frame is subject to much debate.  
This means that a Confederate soldier could have been captured and imprisoned on the first day of the war and still not have served the minimum sentence that modern-day traitors serve. In case you missed the first part of that punishment, though, take another look. They actually wrote it down a few times:
“such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and shall suffer death.”
That’s right: death. There’s no doubt that every soldier in the Confederacy was committing treason, and if they were killed during the conflict, we shouldn’t consider this a military or war-related death. We should consider it a lawful execution. 
Try asking yourself why the Union didn't just round up all of the Confederate soldiers and servicemen and mass execute them like the Nazis, Soviets, Vietcong, and Maoists did to their so-called "traitors" and undesirables? The answer would be that maybe the Union government realized that they had no legal or moral ground to stand on to do so. Maybe they knew something that you didn't skippy? 
Moses Dunbar was executed for high treason against America, and you don’t see us celebrating him during Memorial Day.
Considering that Moses Dunbar was executed before there was a US Government, let along any of your vaunted US Codes, and about eight decades before there even WAS a Memorial Day I have no idea where you are going with this. Your argument is losing coherence. 
Wait, do you not recognize the name of Moses Dunbar?
Actually I do, but then again I know as much about the American Revolutionary War as I do about the War Between the States. 
There’s a very good reason behind that: traitors aren’t meant to be remembered. Traitors are meant to disappear into the fabric of time.
Then what is your point about Benedict Arnold, who is quite well remembered despite of - and because of - his treason.  
Every soldier who went into battle under the Confederate flag was a traitor, and thus, they have no right to be remembered on OUR Memorial Day.
Were it not for those Confederate soldiers and their widows you would not even HAVE a Memorial Day - FYI. Of course, many Southern States honor Confederate Memorial Day as a separate holiday for these men, so maybe that should be the case? Is that your argument here?

5. Because the South will “rise again”: Let’s pretend I could forgive the treason. Let’s just say I could forgive the fighting for the right to own other human beings. Let’s even pretend that I could forgive the hubris that led these individuals to think that they could just form their own country because they didn’t like perfectly reasonable laws.
While we are at it, let's pretend you aren't talking out of your ass. Let's say that I could feel anything more than pity at your weak ineffectual talking points. Let's even pretend that I don't feel sorry for you as a lost Southerner. 
Even if I could forgive ALL of that, I simply couldn’t forgive these individuals for spawning generations of people who blame the North for the war and throw out inept statements like “The South will rise again!” Had southerners (Southerners for the third time) of the time simply said “Okay, you’re probably right. We shouldn’t own people,” there would be no Confederate pride or rebel flags waving on the back of giant pickup trucks.
And now we get to the meat of your particular butthurt....no pun intended. 
What we have here is you, a man (and I say that loosely) who has accepted the worst of his ancestry as truth; who feels a great deal of self-pity, self-hatred, and worse - imagined "guilt" that it eats him up badly. So badly he has to lash out at the world and at those who feel pride in their ancestry because he has nothing in his heart and mind but a massive - and utterly useless - inferiority complex. 
Because of the Confederacy, I have to deal with this stupidity on a nearly daily basis, simply because they instilled this idea of the south as a rebel who will rise to the occasion and break free from the yoke of Northern tyranny. 
Wow, projecting quite a bit about what you think that term means, aren't we? 
Remember last time they tried that? Between 600,000 and 800,000 Americans lost their lives, and that I can never forgive them for. 
Whoa! Wait a minute?!  
Um, didn't you just try to tell us all earlier that the Confederate soldiers we "not Americans" and offer what you claimed were proofs of that? So, since about 360,000 of those numbers mentioned were in fact acknowledged by you to be Americans....dude, can't you try and be at least a little bit consistent? Or is your head really so far up your behind you can't see the contradiction?
The south will rise again? All right, y’all have fun with that. I’m moving to New York.
Please don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you. 

Well folks, there y'all have it. Another hater schooled with just a little Southern Fried Common Sense.  

Naturally, I sent my responses to this guy in hopes of inviting debate, or at least a reasoned response. I have gotten neither so far. Will update you should I ever do.  

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